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I meant to say pretty much in print for a hundred years.
It's true that ERB has probably proved to be one of the most popular of the pulp writers. In Tarzan, he created an iconic figure in a fantasy world he called Africa. Like Barsoom, this is a not intended to be the real jungle just as John Cater does not go to the real Mars as understood by astronomers of the day. In the first novel Tarzan fights a tiger but there are no tigers in the African jungle. But all that means is ERB was happiest when creating fantasy. As an author, he was not interested in researching the facts. The work of many who wrote in the early part of the last century suffers from a number of problems. The first and most obvious is the focus on "adventure", leaving little or no room for characterisation. We can explain this away by dubbing these writers "natural storytellers" but the truth is that readers of the day simply wanted escapist fiction and authors like ERB supplied it in bulk. Second, this is the age of the fix-up where publishers rammed short stories and serials together into a package they called a novel. This often means there's little or no continuity between elements in the book. They are inherently episodic. Third, the books reflect the prejudices of the age. In some countries, reprints of work written contemporaneously to ERB is only offered for sale wrapped in cellophane with warning notices that modern readers may find some scenes offensively racist. The fact the work of ERB has not suffered this indignity does not mean he was free of racism. He institutionalises the racism by having different races with different characteristics, some good, some less good. Finally, the different races on Mars are all indelibly warlike. This is used to enable Carter to kill any one of them without penalty. The morality of this is fascinating in modern terms. Here's a stranger in a strange land who can just pick up a sword and slaughter a few of the natives and be accepted into the local culture.
I could go on but all I would do is demonstrate that we see different things in the same material.
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You are right. This is one of the best of the sageuks.
I think anyone who sees racism in Burroughs work may be reading some of there own sensibilities into the stories. Because honestly, when I read these books for the first time the idea that Burroughs was racist or that he was presenting one race as better than another or that he was presenting John Carter as the great white hero who is better than all these savage primitives never occurred to me.
If anything it seems to me that Burroughs was trying to demonstrate just how ridiculous racism is by turning it on it's head and even that is a stretch, I think he was just trying to tell a rousing good adventure with a lot of wild over the top fantastical elements. The First Born(Blacks) consider themselves the highest and best of all the races on Mars. The Thurns(Whites) are the mostly lowlife manipulators. Hardly a shining example of racial superiority.
You believe that Burroughs made the Barsoomians warlike just to give Carter an excuse for killing them? It's a dying world. Barsoomian society has declined to the point of a few surviving nations struggling for limited resources. I think it's reasonable to assume that a society might become overtly warlike in those circumstances. And Carter doesn't just go around slaughtering anyone and everyone left and right. He never kills anyone without a darn good reason. Of course all of this means lots of adventure, you're right about that. That's what readers wanted and that's what Burroughs gave them but I think the fact Burroughs has survived and most of the others(And from what I've read there were a LOT of them) haven't says something about his abilities as a story teller.
The article doesn't make you sound like you're much of a Burroughs fan.
You seem to be approaching this on the basis that racism is only about white supremacy. Your sentence says it all, "The First Born (Blacks) consider themselves the highest and best of all the races on Mars. The Thurns (Whites) are the mostly lowlife manipulators. Hardly a shining example of racial superiority." Actually, this is a shining example of racial superiority. The moment one race asserts that it deserves different (not necessarily better) treatment than another race based solely on the basis of race, this is racism.
I read ERB extensively back in the 1950s and, in terms of the cultural standards then applied, I considered him good entertainment. Sixty years later, I consider him a product of his time. We have moved on. By definition, his work cannot. That means the prejudices that informed his work are all the more apparent to us now. In more general terms, this means I can no longer read many of the books of the late Victorian, early Edwardian era without shuddering. Even some of the work in the period 1930 to 1960 is showing its age and growing increasingly unreadable. Indeed, I find myself quite embarrassed by some of the authors whose work I read when young. For example, the misogyny and racism of Lovecraft underpins his notions of horror. Sadly <a href="http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/On_the_Creation_of_Niggers" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/On_the_Creation_of_Niggers</a> is typical of the racism at the time ERB published his first Barsoom novel. When you have lived a few more years and read more widely, you too will probably develop different sensibilities.
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